Wednesday, 30 September 2026

Sitting and Facing Directions of DNA Codons


 Here we have the Directions Map showing all 64 codons of DNA in each of the 8 areas. My own TGC is in the North East facing South West……..interesting that all codons are turned inwards facing the direction they are known for taking. The East green / blue area has the North east yellow / orange area just below it and my TGC is very close to the centre with only the centre codon CCC beyond it around the centre. C and G are the only letters you will find around the central centre. 

Seek out your own DNA Codon and find its sitting position which will give you its facing position to the centre and beyond. Your somewhere in there. Enjoy your thinking x 

Piano Keyboard Combinations

 

Here we see the piano keyboard once again split at the piano hinge that lacks a black key…….TGC as a DNA Codon is used here we have the larger triangle from T to G to C and then back to T to close it off but that final T is now in the next octave. The smaller triangle connects T to G in an orange square and then G to C in a lime green square then C back to T in a purple square……the slash lines are just to show when two colours combined are next to each other. The colours are combinations of the four letters of DNA colours…..

Red and Yellow - Orange     Red and Green - Brown 

Red and Red - Red               Red and blue - Purple.

Green and Yellow - Lime     Green and Blue - Mid Green

Green and Green - Green    Yellow and Yellow - Yellow

 Blue and Blue - Blue                  9 variations in total  

The top triangle of The Ruminator shows the shape it would be in the circle. 

So TGC is a colour combination in the Ruminator of red and green but on the keyboard combination it has Orange, Teal and Purple. Sounds combined changing the colours presented. Enjoy your thinking x 


Tuesday, 29 September 2026

The I Ching Hexagrams and DNA Codons with errors from the usual Rule Book

 

Here we see a set of 64 DNA Codons……..T is orange…G is Yellow… A is Green… C is Blue… T and A pair up and C and G pair up. 

They sit together here as pairs Hex 1 all yellow GGG 6/6 has all Blue CCC Hex 2 - 2/2 sitting on top of it ……. Rule here lower yellow moves diagonally across the top becoming its opposite upper Blue. When all of a hexagram is yellow or blue combinations they swop to each other as they move to the top. Yellow becoming Blue or vice versa. 

The next pair are ATC Hex 3 sitting below CAT Hex 4. The rule here is T becomes A and A becomes T diagonally but C remains unchanged. 

The next pair AGA Hex 5 sits below Hex 6 TGT and again T becomes A and A becomes T diagonally but yellow remains unchanged.

So the rules 1…..C and G swop each other out only if the whole codon is blue and yellow combinations. 2….. when T or A appear in a codon they swop to each other diagonally. 3….. If T or A appear in a codon with C or G then C and G remain unchanged. 

So follow these rules and everything will work out well. The Odd number is always at the bottom of the Hexagram shape and the even number at the top. So no problems repeating this pattern until you come to Hexagrams 27 and 28. Marked with a little heart. A blip in the rule book for hexagrams. Move on then until you come to the next * Hexagrams 51/52….. then Hexagrams 57/58 and finally Hexagrams 61/62. So four little hearts showing the Hexagrams that do not conform to all of the rules for the I Ching in DNA Codons. 

Hex 27/8 ACT below with TGA on top instead of the usual rules A and T have not changed but the C at the centre has become a G that does not conform. 

Hex 61/2 AGT below with TCA on top instead of the usual rules A and T have not changed but the G at the centre has become a C that does not conform. 

These two sets of hexagrams have the same problem. 

Hex 51/2 GCC 3/3 below with CCG 8/8 above this is not changing at all just moving the same letter from bottom to the top which does not conform. 

Hex 57/8 CGG 4/4 below with GGC 7/7 above this is not changing at all just moving the same letter from bottom to the top which does not conform. 

These two sets of hexagrams have the same problem. 

Hex 27 and Hex 28….

Hex 28 -  Nine Star Ki 4/7 - (screaming out to be paired with 7/4 AGT) Music C F# A -  DNA Codon TGA 

Hex 27 - Nine Star Ki 3/8 - (screaming out to be paired with 8/3 TCA) Music C# G G# - DNA Codon ACT


On the left we see Hexagrams 27 and 28 together on the right we see how if they followed the rules they would look. We see ACT creates another ACT on top which of course wont do. In Nine Star Ki 3 and 8 like to be paired and 4 with 7 so again this pair are not happy in either letters or numbers. 

Let’s look at the other similar problem with Hexagrams 61/2. 

Hex 61 - Nine Star Ki is 7/4 - Music C# F# G# -  DNA Codon AGT

Hex 62 - Nine Star Ki is 8/3 - Music C G A - DNA Codon TCA 


Notice how in the error they create sides which are the same colour and of course this would not happen if they followed the rules. Again they are creating themselves. So perhaps someone in charge of DNA came along and said swop the Hats on top……so that AGT sat with TCA and ACT sits with TGA. 

These four Hexagrams have had to adapt in order not to produce only themselves. So now they do not match with DNA Letters or Nine Star Ki numbers but the repetition problem has been solved. 

The same changes need to be made to the four Hexagrams connected only to C or G letters…….. Hex 51/2 GCC 3/3 below with CCG 8/8 above this is not changing at all just moving the same letter from bottom to the top which does not conform. 

Hex 57/8 CGG 4/4 below with GGC 7/7 above this is not changing at all just moving the same letter from bottom to the top which does not conform. 

With these four problem Codons the letters are wrong but the numbers are actually right here so maybe its not as much of a problem as the other four above.

So 8 Hexagrams with rule breakers problems finding ways to resolves them lets hope it doesn’t cause other problems down the line. Enjoy your thinking. X 


Monday, 28 September 2026

Patterns from our Codons

 The ins and outs of family life as each codon


is drawing a line between letters e.g. T to G to C and then T in the next octave to G to C and then back to T each codon creating a different shape……as unique as we are…… is rather uniform with CCT creating a very nice curvaceous pattern. Enjoy your thinking. X


Sunday, 27 September 2026

Piano Keyboard and DNA Codons


 Here we have a piano keyboard coloured in the Letters of DNA. Red for T Green for A Yellow for G and Blue for C it puzzles me why there is no black key after the second T or after the Final C as it moves into the next octave. Apparently the monks that created those sharp keys centuries ago felt they were not required I didn’t know that until I had spent some time wondering about it and then someone mentioned piano hinges and I thought they would be perfect to split the keyboard at these missing black notes. The results are down below two keyboards diagonally connected. Parts vertical other parts horizontal. 


The dot at the centre is the light point where all lines cross…….the cross contains the vertical and horizontal parts and the cross the missing black keys. Parts are above the horizon and others below….many things to think about here and with two keyboards we can now move into the next octave easily. We know a DNA Codon needs to move into the next codon to form its triangle shape and complete the codon now that is possible. 


Variations on the way TGC moves to create a full triangular aspect pattern. Enjoy your thinking x 

Wednesday, 23 September 2026

The Aspect Shapes as One Continuous Line

Those Marked * are the actual aspect shapes - 8 in all and each can be turned around to create all the other aspect shapes………same shape different position…..

Above we have the Magician, Thinker and Teacher aspects top two just blue and green lines but the Teacher has a little red added to it. 



 Above we have the all red Worker and the red and green Ruminator, below we have the Grand Trine all blue. Below that we have the Alternator a red and blue combination. Finally we have the Lecturer. 
 






Family life as a continuous line


I have drawn these with the lines getting thinner the closer to centre they become and a slight line along the edges of the colour changes to define it a little more. Family Life father has a lot of blue and also green, the mother has green but also red, the child has completely red……..you can see how the balance of energies works in this house. Enjoy your thinking x

Tuesday, 22 September 2026

More Examoples of Life in One Continuous Line

 

Another example of life in one continuous line…….ACG The Worker, TGC The Ruminator and AAA The Grand Trine……..all making very psychedelic patterns. I cannot help but feel the doorway entrance….or en - trance in the AAA Grand Trine pattern …….(en means within)….

Enjoy your thinking. X  

The Unfolding of Life in The Aspect Shapes of DNA


 We learned the other day that the only way to complete the triangle of an aspect shape is to move into another octave as we can see above. The Ruminator triangle aspect shape for TGC is shown above T to G to C but that is only two lines you have to complete the triangle by drawing another line to the Musical note C in the next octave. Now you have a complete triangle but not within the same 12 part circle you would naturally draw that shape into. We see below the shapes it makes when continuing into the next octave and creating yet another smaller TGC and so on into infinity. 


Here we see the pattern created something like a harp here as The Ruminator is quite a small triangle. Notice below the rose because this ever spiralling flower also creates the shapes required to continue into infinity. 


Here we see the Ruminator for TGC on top but when opened out it is like folds of Ruminators into infinity once again………Life literally does unfold in front of us. Another variation below of GAT 7/9.  Enjoy your thinking. X 



Friday, 18 September 2026

Aspects in Time 30 to 210* Making a Happy Tune


Here we have the TGC version on a piano beginning to end to beginning in the next octave……


Here we see the closed circle version of the 12 part astrology chart 12 sections of 30* and yet we now find in finishing that final line of an Aspect triangular shape we have to move into a new section of more than 12 parts of a chart. In this example TCC T Aries moves 210* to G Scorpio and G Scorpio moves 150* to C Pisces no problem but Pisces cannot complete the triangle until it returns to T in the next octave musically or circle astrologically. In moving into a new Octave it creates a new life starting over again from T to C to C and so on for as many lives it is deemed necessary. So the circle becomes a 3D spiral and the octave expands each time into the next and in doing so doubles its frequency as you have done this before and are therefore more evolved. So once we reach C in the circle it requires a new destination and starts over. In the Piano keys version linear progression creates the same evolved lives of the future. 

That said if this is a possibility it might mean that our DNA Codon in this case TCC may be vibrating to different frequencies in DNA because we do not yet know how evolved the code is. There is an answer (210*) to the question (150*) but in turn that begets another question and so it goes on. Now we are left wondering if DNA codons can indeed vibrate differently even when containing the same letters. Enjoy your thinking. X 

One Octave Astrology Chart and Beyond

 


Here we have a piano keyboard with lines of varying length…..

Short green line 30* semisextile or Minor 2nd

Longer green line 150* Quincunx or Perfect 4th

Short blue line 60* sextile or Major 2nd

Longer blue line 120* Trine or Major 3rd

Short red line 90* square or Minor 3rd

Longer red line 180* opposition or Tritone

Purple Line 210* Inconjunct or Perfect 5th

You can lift any line up and move it across from one note to another and it will still remain what it is described as. 

I try to keep the lines within the one octave and only two lines are required to make a DNA Codon. E.g.

AAA is a Major 3rd blue lines from the first A to the second A then another Major 3rd blue line can go from 2nd letter to third letter and that will create three notes/letters of a DNA Codon.

To create the aspect shapes however it would only have two lines and still needs that last line from 3rd note back to the first note and then you would have a Grand Trine. The dilemma I have is do I go backwards on the keyboard to return from third A to first A or do I go into the next octave to get the final line. That is still debatable. With a birth chart you only get the 12 sections you don’t move into another circle and the pattern needs to grow moving from left side East down to North at the bottom up to West midway up to the top or South and finally returning to East to close. That is only possible if you go around the outside of the circle and do NOT cut through the centre of the chart. If you do not move this way the 210* aspect is lost and becomes just another 150* which it is not. 

Take TCG First letter T Aries draws a line of 210* to second letter C Scorpio then a line of 90* to G Aquarius for the 3rd letter but it needs to draw another line from G back to T in order to close the triangle with a line of 60* this then becomes a Teacher aspect. In drawing this triangle though I have to move into the next octave to create the 60* T closer. A closer look at this to follow. X Enjoy your thinking x 

Wednesday, 16 September 2026

DNA Music and Octaves


 We see here a piano keyboard denoting the notes of an octave in music. From C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B.

Section one contains T, A, G, C and repeats in section two and three. A DNA Codon contains letters one from each section. So what can we tell ourselves about a DNA Codon from this information. Take a letter from each section and change it into music. 

TGC - C F# B - G Major - C to F# creates a Tritone or Opposition and F# to B creates a Perfect 4th or a Quincunx. It is a Ruminator in shape.

GAT - D F G# - A Major - D to F creates a Minor 3rd or square and F to G# creates another minor 3rd or square. It is a Worker in shape.

AAC - C# F B - D Major - C# to F creates a Major 3rd or Trine and F to B creates a Tritone or opposition.

CCT - D# F# G# - A Major - D# to F# creates a Minor 3rd or Square. F# to G# creates a Major 2nd or Sextile. 

CTC - D# E B - E Major - D# to E creates a minor 2nd or semisextile and E to B creates a perfect 5th or Inconjunct (210*) aspect. 

ATC - C# E B - D Major - C# to E is a Minor 3rd or square and E to B is a perfect 5th or Inconjunct (210*) aspect. 

ATG - C# E A# - B Major - C# to E is a Minor 3rd or square and E to A# is a Tritone or opposition aspect. 

These are just a few examples of the 64 codons we have.

So for DNA Codons do we take TGC C F# B and play as follows….

C F# B 3 single notes and C F# B together ……..or C F# together then F# and B together….

Or would it be C F# together F# B together then back to the original C and B together. 

If you move to the next C instead of going back to move into another octave and lose the power of the octave or the division of the chart by 12. 

Potentially that means we could play C and F# together then F# and B together then B and C in the next octave together. Which means 13 sections not 12 and they can get much bigger with other codons. So for the moment I think the best choice is……


This way whichever we choose we remain within the one octave of course this may not be the case and moving into two octaves works better but then repeat it and you can move right off the piano keyboard in the end. Enjoy your thinking. X 

Thursday, 10 September 2026

The Glitch in the Teachers and Thinkers

 I have always felt something was not quite right about Teachers and Thinkers as when you add the three aspect lines they only add up to 300* and not 360* that all the other 6 variations of Shape do. Now I have come to realise that in astrology a green line of 150* is not always a green line of 150*. DNA Codons moving around the circle in an anticlockwise direction and is how aspect lines should be measured; you cannot make reverse moves. Forward only from T Aries to C Pisces. We see here first of all the Thinkers there are six in all and they all have an association with the top line of the I Ching and the number 2. Looking at the aspect lines here not all long green lines count as 150* some are actually 210* if you use the anticlockwise principle. Of the 6 only 4 have 210* aspects and therefore present no problem as they add up to 360*. Two of them have a problem as they only add up to 300*. 

CCT - 2/8 - D# G G# - 120* x 30*x 150*

CTT - 2/4 - D# E G# - 30* x 120* x 150*


TCC - TCT - TTC - CTC all work out as 360* so no problems here. 


Lets take at look at the same issue in the Teachers Shape……..


Again of the 6 Teacher Codons only two of them have this problem.


TAC - TCG - ATC - GTC all work out as 360* so no problems here. 


CAT - 1-8 - D# F G# - 60* X 90* X 150*

CGT - 1-4 - D# F# G# - 90* x 60*x 150*


So four codons out of 64 that do not add up to 360* aspect shapes. With DNA Codons they are measured in a circle of 12 and cannot move into the next octave. If it was possible to do that and measure around the outside of the circle from the second letter to the first letter then we would get a 210* aspect shape and no problems would occur. So what can we make of this problem. 


Musically you play the three notes and it creates only two of the lines of the music e.g.


TTC - C E B musically so press the key C and E and it creates the line 120* then press keys E and B to create the line 210* thats it the musical aspect shape has been played there is no requirement to continue to the final line therefore it does not feed into the next octave. 


The error codon CTT for example would press piano key D# and E and then E and G# no need for any other musical notes the codon has been played and the final line is not required. 


The piano keyboards below show us how we do not need to draw that last line in to create the full triangle of Teacher or Thinker. With CCT the red line at the end is missing. With CTT the red line at the end is missing. With CAT the line at the end is missing. Finally with CGT again the last red line is also missing. All of them are missing the line from T Sagittarius G# back to C D#……….I now have to check if any other T to C’s have a problem.




Only these four DNA Codons start with a C and end with a T which is a missing line so this could well have something to do with the fact they only add up to 300* and not 360* the other 62 codon shapes add up to. 

So we have at least gone from thinking 6 Teachers and 6 Thinkers only added up to 300* now at least we have reduced it to 2 of each. So any codon start C and ending T will have this problem. Quite what these 4 now mean needs more thought but at least we are closer to resolving the problem. Enjoy your thinking.x 


Wednesday, 9 September 2026

The Energy and Music of a One Year in Nine Star Ki September, 2026

 As we travel through the 1 year of 2026 lets take a closer look and we will use month September for the results. 



Lecturers 2 - Alternators 4 - Ruminators 3 - Teachers 3 


Semisextiles 3 - Sextiles 7 - Squares 5 - Trine 6 - 

Quincunx 8 - Opposition 7 


So here we have all available to us in the year February 2026 to January 2027 9 patterns full of information.


1/1 CGC is at the centre for the month of September and all 8 surround patterns have their energy turned outward from the centre like a Sun burst or water fountain………the map of DNA Letters used has Water and Fire 2/3rds in the air with Earth and Air 6 each below the horizon. 


A one years partner will come along next year and all the music we missed out on here can be played during the 9 year making all musical notes available over the two year period. 


Musically the dominant is the 150* Quincunx 8 of them here a Perfect Fourth or 5 semitones of separation, bold, open sound full of hope but holding many unanswered questions, will they find the answers in the following year. This constant pursuit of questions can be exhausting unless you learn to adapt and find some rest. This is an unstable, tense, restless energy as you would expect Water to be it shouldn’t stand still or it will stagnate. Musically it has a clear ring to it. 

Next strongest are the sextile and opposition. The opposition (7 semitones) or Tritone is also an unstable, dissonant, eerie, edgy sound, unresolved energy with a strong pull to the ear, unpleasant in sound, harsh and unsettling, unfinished business perhaps and it begs you to find calm and peace. Spooky to the sound. On the other hand the sextile or Major 2nd (2 semitones) is a little tense but more buzzy than unsettling. It is natural and stable, like a shimmery kind of friction not a harsh one. Some peace can be found here. The Trine comes next with 6 of them finally bringing some peace and rest, (4 semitones) Major 3rd is a bright, happy go lucky, sweet sound to the ear, joyful, lacks tension, a talent that you must use or lose. Finally we can make happy music together. The last one is the 90* Square ( 3 semitones) five of them here, a warm but dark quality, melancholy and can be moody, mysterious and oftentimes a sense of sadness, a longing for something you cannot seem to find. All together they give us 36 different aspect lines to make of what we will when we can, this is why number 1 loves to have a plan of action, lets not waste time but get on with it once the blueprint has been set we can carry on to fruition. 


We have Lecturers and Teachers here so much to learn Ruminators so much to think over and Alternators which might help us find work, rest and play a little better. Enjoy your thinking. X 

An out pouring of energy this year. X 


Sunday, 6 September 2026

DNA Codons of Family Life

 Let’s take a look at the energy in your home………Mother first….


Mother and Child…..


Mother, Father and Child……


Fire, Earth, Air and Water all present……enjoy your thinking x 

Friday, 4 September 2026

A Closer Look at DNA Codon TGC’s Musical Tones


 Here we have an example of the musical qualities of DNA Codon TGC Nine Star Ki 1/7 it is a Ruminator aspect and the above shows you how each line might feel when in action. 

Clearly raising the tone of F# to G would get rid of that Tritone but in doing so it creates the following which is a very different kettle of fish….



So by raising the tone of the original Ruminator I have managed to change it into a Thinker…..no wonder those unanswered questions have gone. 210* is a highly thought of aspect and along with the more peaceful Trine life can be made easier if I raise myself up from F# Libra to G Scorpio. As I am a Pisces I am much happier with Scorpio that I am with Libra so lets hope I manage to raise my tone and live a more peaceful life. Enjoy your thinking. X 

The Repetitive Pattern of The I Ching

 

Here I have put the set of I Ching together starting with just 1 piece of four which in turn creates 4 sets of 4, which in turn creates 16 sets of 4……..all 64 DNA Codons in the I Ching are here musically. Enjoy your thinking x 

Soloman’s Temple for 4th, September, 2026

 

A quick game of Solomans Temple to relax the mind after all the musical thoughts. All 64 codons of DNA can be found in this smallest pattern possible of 34 triangles. Enjoy your thinking x 

Amino Acids and their Musical Connections

 

So here we have the map of musical notes in making Amino Acids and below we mark up the Amino Acids in each section…..

We can see here that they like to gather in fours but some are only two alongside each other with another two below. Sometimes it is just one as In Tryptophan……or Methionine Start position…… STOP has three vriations which cross 2 sections leaving that end gap for the Tryptophan. 

I cannot help but think because of the positions Histidine must have a strong connection to Glutamine and Lysine to Asparagine………….lots to think about here enjoy your thinking x 

Thursday, 3 September 2026

Musical Amino Acids

So now we have all of the four sections or elements of the I Ching mapped we can start to look for patterns within them…..

Below is a map showing in the first image i set of 4 codons as part of the C water section of the I Ching ……….the second image moves on from the 4 parts of Water to 4 x 4 parts water and creates 16 codons within its pattern all Water. This makes 1 pattern of 4, 1 pattern of 16 and that 16 finally makes another pattern of all 64 codons.
At the centre circle are the two letters that start all codons in that section then around the outside note that the final four codon letters are shown as a repeating pattern throughout. So the outer letter of a music codon remains the same within any square of four just the centre circle changes. 
1 square of 4….(4)

4 squares of 4….(16) all water…

Finally we have16 squares of 4….(64)
You can see how simple the format is in a 4 square and it repeats all the way through. The Colours chosen are Orange for T - Green for A - Yellow for G and Blue for C. 
Simplicity itself. X 

Wednesday, 2 September 2026

The Sonification of the G Section of The I Ching based on 28143976

 Below we see the G Air/Tree section of The I Ching’s The Word based on 28143976 all codons begin with G in the section and we see here the DNA Codon the Aspect shape, the musical notes, the intervals, the amino acid and the direction it takes. Direction may not seem to have much to do here but all clues have value. The intervals energies are below. 


30* Minor 2nd - Semisextile - 1 note is tense and clashing, with tight sharp vibes. It lacks rest, giving tension and leaving you feeling on edge. Ratio 15:15


60* Major 2nd - Sextile - 2 notes is still tense but in a more buzzy, natural and stable way. Like a shimmer but not harsh. Ratio 9:8


90* Minor 3rd - Square - 3 notes warm enough but has a dark melancholy, moody, mysterious way about it. There is sadness and a certain longing creates tension. Ratio 6:5


120* Major 3rd - Trine - 4 notes - A bright, happy, somewhat sweet sound, joyful to the ear, a lack of tension, beautiful but use it or lose it as it can be unstable. Ratio 5:4


150* Perfect 4th - Quincunx - 5 notes - bold, open, sounds hopeful as you have questions that

are left unanswered, you need answers and must find them which can lead to exhaustion. Ratio 4:4


180* Tritone - Opposition - 6 notes - unstable, dissonant, eerie, edgy, unresolved, a strong pull to the ear which hears something most unpleasant. You cut the octave in half here. Known as the devils interval. It's harsh, unsettling, unfinished, begging you to create some calm and peace. Spooky and Suspenseful. Ratio 2:1


210* Perfect 5th - Inconjunct - 7 notes - a stable, open, strong, hollow sound that blends smoothly and is restful to the ear. Grand and Bright. We no longer feel we have unanswered questions here. Creates transformative change. Ratio 3:2


GCC GCT GTC GTT

Lecturer         Ruminator Teacher         Alternator

D G B         D G G#         D E B         D E G#

Perfect 4th       Perfect 4th      Major 2nd Major 2nd

Major 3rd         Minor 2nd Perfect 5th Major 3rd

Alanine         Alanine         Valine         Valine

Centred         NE/SW         N/S         SW/NE


GCA GCG GTA         GTG

Magician         Lecturer         Magician         Alternator

D G A         D G A#         D E A         D E A#

Perfect 4th Perfect 4th Major 2nd Major 2nd

Major 2nd Minor 3rd         Perfect 4th Tritone

Alanine         Alanine         Valine         Valine

SW/NE         Centred         W/E          NE/SW


GAC GAT         GGC GGT

Worker         Worker         Lecturer         Alternator

D F B D F G#         D F B D F# G#

Minor 3rd         Minor 3rd         Minor 3rd Minor 3rd

Tritone         Minor 3rd         Perfect 4th Major 2nd

Aspartic Ac     Asp Acid         Glycine         Glycine

S/N         E/W         Centred         NW/SE


GAA GAG GGA GGG

Lecturer         Lecturer         Lecturer         Gr Trine

D F A         D F A#         D F# A         D F# A#

Minor 3rd         Minor 3rd         Major 3rd         Major 3rd

Major 3rd         Perfect 4th Minor 3rd         Major 3rd

Glutamic A      Glut Acid         Glycine         Glycine

NE/SW         SW/NE         SE/NW         Centred


Only 2 Tritones here but I am surprised to see any.